Hi Thomas, i’ll be releasing a module soon on the turtle position, (once you get to your knees and the person is on top of you) there’s lots of escapes, takedowns and even a few submissions from there depending on what your opponent does
This does not really work with me. i am having a difficulty inserting my hand into his armpit, his weight was just making it hard to do it. Even if I succeed, to shrimp my hip out for the turtle was super hard to pull off.
You need to use bumps to get your arm inside for the underhook, and sometimes once the hand goes in you might need to do a couple more to get your hand in deep, make sure you bump up to relieve their weight off you and then shrimp so you get to your side and stretch the arm that is underhooking. It takes a lot of practice especially if the person on top knows how to use their weight but in the video Antoni out weighs me by 100 lbs and knows how to use his weight very well.
i have a question on this escape because when i get to my side (after i bump et shrimp), i feel that my partner can take a kimura on me.
have you got a solution for that?
Yes make sure you are stretching your arm and keeping a deep underhook, if they reach back to grab the wrist for kimura they will be off balance backwards
Hi Henry, does it make a difference if in this position the opponent grips your pants with the lower hand? Instead of just floating it as in the video?
I’m running into two big problems whenever I pursue to far-side underhook. One of two things usually happens (at least against higher belts): (1) Uke switches his hips to a reverse scarf hold position, but with his arm that was over my head grabbing my arm at the elbow and pulling up and flattening me out (the next step is usually to kimura the arm which is now trapped); or (2) if his far-side arm isn’t blocking my hip, he will use it to pinch down on the arm I’m using to try to get the far-side underhook and prevent me from getting it deep (or at least massively slowing the process down) which generally results in my neck now being exposed to being attacked by his free arm with something like a bread-cutter choke. If I’m not describing this well enough, the two positions I am talking about getting caught in are illustrated on pages 41-42 of Saulo Ribeiro’s “Jiu-Jitsu University” book. When I end up in position 1, it doesn’t seem like the escape in Module 14 works because one of my arms isn’t free. When I’m in position 2, the attack on my neck seems to occur before I can get enough bumps to free my arm, or even if I am able to avoid the choke and bump hard enough to get the arm moving again, uke will just give up on the bread-cutter choke and switch to position 1. Any advice on what I can do to prevent these things from happening when I swim for the far-side underhook?
So you would never shrimp from Side Control Henry and use a high/low armbar clamp and the thing’s that come from that?. Also only if you happen to be on this page, as im a Second Year Student of ur’s. What do you think about the Guillotine/D’arce etc problem once you get to your Knee’s as I’ve found good guy’s will immediately clamp onto my scronie neck when i turn onto my Knee’s. I’ve tried shrugging and shelling up till they open up while looking for something then exploding forward to taking them down. I really like the going to my Knee’s as it’s more Proactive and I’d rather be on top than put them in my Guard etc..
Most of the people at my gym are mammoths. I am the little guy. When I do this escape and go to my knees the person puts weight on my and turn in the opposite direction and takes my back. I turtle up but they control me from the turtle position. Any suggestions? Thank you.
Could you break down the takedown from knees and how to avoid being choked (guillotine or d’arce)?
Hi Thomas, i’ll be releasing a module soon on the turtle position, (once you get to your knees and the person is on top of you) there’s lots of escapes, takedowns and even a few submissions from there depending on what your opponent does
This does not really work with me. i am having a difficulty inserting my hand into his armpit, his weight was just making it hard to do it. Even if I succeed, to shrimp my hip out for the turtle was super hard to pull off.
You need to use bumps to get your arm inside for the underhook, and sometimes once the hand goes in you might need to do a couple more to get your hand in deep, make sure you bump up to relieve their weight off you and then shrimp so you get to your side and stretch the arm that is underhooking. It takes a lot of practice especially if the person on top knows how to use their weight but in the video Antoni out weighs me by 100 lbs and knows how to use his weight very well.
Hi Henry,
i have a question on this escape because when i get to my side (after i bump et shrimp), i feel that my partner can take a kimura on me.
have you got a solution for that?
Yes make sure you are stretching your arm and keeping a deep underhook, if they reach back to grab the wrist for kimura they will be off balance backwards
Do you worry about strikes from the bottom position? i.e. punches, knee strikes, elbows. How would you deal with them?
I do not, but it takes understanding of how to control distance and use angles to avoid if your training with strikes
Hi Henry, does it make a difference if in this position the opponent grips your pants with the lower hand? Instead of just floating it as in the video?
Yes, in that case I will use the hand to break the grip
Yes, check out unit 18
I’m running into two big problems whenever I pursue to far-side underhook. One of two things usually happens (at least against higher belts): (1) Uke switches his hips to a reverse scarf hold position, but with his arm that was over my head grabbing my arm at the elbow and pulling up and flattening me out (the next step is usually to kimura the arm which is now trapped); or (2) if his far-side arm isn’t blocking my hip, he will use it to pinch down on the arm I’m using to try to get the far-side underhook and prevent me from getting it deep (or at least massively slowing the process down) which generally results in my neck now being exposed to being attacked by his free arm with something like a bread-cutter choke. If I’m not describing this well enough, the two positions I am talking about getting caught in are illustrated on pages 41-42 of Saulo Ribeiro’s “Jiu-Jitsu University” book. When I end up in position 1, it doesn’t seem like the escape in Module 14 works because one of my arms isn’t free. When I’m in position 2, the attack on my neck seems to occur before I can get enough bumps to free my arm, or even if I am able to avoid the choke and bump hard enough to get the arm moving again, uke will just give up on the bread-cutter choke and switch to position 1. Any advice on what I can do to prevent these things from happening when I swim for the far-side underhook?
So you would never shrimp from Side Control Henry and use a high/low armbar clamp and the thing’s that come from that?. Also only if you happen to be on this page, as im a Second Year Student of ur’s. What do you think about the Guillotine/D’arce etc problem once you get to your Knee’s as I’ve found good guy’s will immediately clamp onto my scronie neck when i turn onto my Knee’s. I’ve tried shrugging and shelling up till they open up while looking for something then exploding forward to taking them down. I really like the going to my Knee’s as it’s more Proactive and I’d rather be on top than put them in my Guard etc..
Hi Henry,
Most of the people at my gym are mammoths. I am the little guy. When I do this escape and go to my knees the person puts weight on my and turn in the opposite direction and takes my back. I turtle up but they control me from the turtle position. Any suggestions? Thank you.
This is the best explanation I have ever seen. Thank you, Henry, such a level of details makes a difference!